Judge's Insight + Strength attribute - Guild Wars Forums

Gigashadow · Dec 05, 2005, 09:18 PM // 21:18

Does the 20% armor ignoring of JI stack with the strength attribute (1..16%) when using attack skills?

Volarian · Dec 05, 2005, 09:43 PM // 21:43

Makes it sound as though JI gives you an auto 20%, but can't see if that would be stacked with Str's AI or not.

Arcanis the Omnipotent · Dec 05, 2005, 09:52 PM // 21:52

Its an odd question, but I dont see any logical reason why it wouldnt.

Basically its like saying you attacks still have Armor Penetration with Strength, and then tacking on an extra 20% with the enchantment.

Man With No Name · Dec 05, 2005, 10:38 PM // 22:38

The short answer is -- yes

Just out of interest we'll compare the skill descriptions of Judge's Insight vs Penetrating Blow...

Judge's Insight -- For 8-18 seconds, target ally's attacks deal Holy damage and have +20% armour penetration.

Penetrating Blow -- If this attack hits, you strike for +5-17 damage. This attack has 20% armour penetration.

You should see the difference already. Judge's gives +20% armour penetration whilst Penetrating Blow gives 20% (meaning fixed amount).

The armour penetration from Penetrating Blow doesn't stack with your Strength and I don't believe it stacks with Judge's Insight either (can someone confirm that 2nd point :?)

However with 10 in Strength, an "Eviscerate" would now hit with 30% armour penetration >)

Bottom line is -- with around 10 in Strength -- your attacks will gain 30% ( 1/3 ) of armour penetration. Warriors suddenly become very interesting >)....

Dogmeat · Dec 06, 2005, 02:44 AM // 02:44

man with no name is correct about penetrating blow and strength not stacking. the game automatically uses the highest AP % and ignores the rest. To my knowledge the only ways for a warrior to get extra AP is through judges insight (+20%) and the sundering effect on weapons (+10% max). With penetrating blow, judges insight and sundering all in effect at the same time it should be possible to get +50% AP.

Rajamic · Dec 06, 2005, 12:03 PM // 12:03

The short of it is that Strength, 20% AP from "Penetrating" skills (they say "20%", not "+20%"), and inherent AP on weapons (such as Horn Bows) do not stack with each other, but anything else will stack.

R. Mindwalker · Dec 06, 2005, 10:23 PM // 22:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rajamic

The short of it is that Strength, 20% AP from "Penetrating" skills (they say "20%", not "+20%"), and inherent AP on weapons (such as Horn Bows) do not stack with each other, but anything else will stack.

So your saying that weapons with an extra 10 % AP will stack with the Strenght?
Now will an attack with AP also stack with this? When you finally get some AP out of the item that is ofcourse

(10% is really small change)

the drizzle · Dec 06, 2005, 10:59 PM // 22:59

Ok, I've got it. 16 in strength + judges insight (20) + sundering string (10) + horn bow (10) + penetrating attack (20)= 76% armor penetration! And, with the warrior's 1337 mana pool and 2 pips of regen, you can get off 2 penetrating attacks for ultimate devestation.

Arcador · Dec 07, 2005, 08:12 PM // 20:12

penetrating attack won't stack. And can you use bow + str attribute?

Dec 05, 2005, 09:18 PM // 21:18	#1
Gigashadow Jungle Guide Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bellevue, WA Profession: W/	Judge's Insight + Strength attribute Does the 20% armor ignoring of JI stack with the strength attribute (1..16%) when using attack skills?

Dec 05, 2005, 10:38 PM // 22:38	#4
Man With No Name Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Manchester, UK Profession: W/	The short answer is -- yes Just out of interest we'll compare the skill descriptions of Judge's Insight vs Penetrating Blow... Judge's Insight -- For 8-18 seconds, target ally's attacks deal Holy damage and have +20% armour penetration. Penetrating Blow -- If this attack hits, you strike for +5-17 damage. This attack has 20% armour penetration. You should see the difference already. Judge's gives +20% armour penetration whilst Penetrating Blow gives 20% (meaning fixed amount). The armour penetration from Penetrating Blow doesn't stack with your Strength and I don't believe it stacks with Judge's Insight either (can someone confirm that 2nd point :?) However with 10 in Strength, an "Eviscerate" would now hit with 30% armour penetration >) Bottom line is -- with around 10 in Strength -- your attacks will gain 30% ( 1/3 ) of armour penetration. Warriors suddenly become very interesting >).... Last edited by Man With No Name; Dec 05, 2005 at 11:25 PM // 23:25..

Dec 05, 2005, 09:43 PM // 21:43	#2
Volarian Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Texas Guild: NOT-Nomads Of Turmoil	Makes it sound as though JI gives you an auto 20%, but can't see if that would be stacked with Str's AI or not.

Dec 05, 2005, 09:52 PM // 21:52	#3
Arcanis the Omnipotent Jungle Guide Join Date: Sep 2005 Guild: Nova Alliance Profession: Me/	Its an odd question, but I dont see any logical reason why it wouldnt. Basically its like saying you attacks still have Armor Penetration with Strength, and then tacking on an extra 20% with the enchantment.

Dec 06, 2005, 02:44 AM // 02:44	#5
Dogmeat Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Nihon Profession: W/	man with no name is correct about penetrating blow and strength not stacking. the game automatically uses the highest AP % and ignores the rest. To my knowledge the only ways for a warrior to get extra AP is through judges insight (+20%) and the sundering effect on weapons (+10% max). With penetrating blow, judges insight and sundering all in effect at the same time it should be possible to get +50% AP.

Dec 06, 2005, 12:03 PM // 12:03	#6
Rajamic Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2005 Location: IA Guild: Chronicles of Heroes [CoH] Profession: R/Me	The short of it is that Strength, 20% AP from "Penetrating" skills (they say "20%", not "+20%"), and inherent AP on weapons (such as Horn Bows) do not stack with each other, but anything else will stack.

Dec 06, 2005, 10:59 PM // 22:59	#8
the drizzle Academy Page Join Date: Jul 2005 Profession: E/N	Ok, I've got it. 16 in strength + judges insight (20) + sundering string (10) + horn bow (10) + penetrating attack (20)= 76% armor penetration! And, with the warrior's 1337 mana pool and 2 pips of regen, you can get off 2 penetrating attacks for ultimate devestation.

Dec 07, 2005, 08:12 PM // 20:12	#9
Arcador Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: -- Profession: R/N	penetrating attack won't stack. And can you use bow + str attribute?